30 September 2007

More Drama....

Art's message isn't always pretty

Re: "Scrap sculptures, mayor says: Mandel reacts after Hindu community complains pieces disrespectful," The Journal, Sept. 19

The rights of the individual will be protected only so long as they do not conflict with the state -- that's the basis of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Didn't sculptor Ryan McCourt know that hurting someone's feelings is a crime in this country? And our illustrious mayor stepped in and removed McCourt's fundamental rights. Don't you just love fascism and political correctness when you see it for what it is?

I created the Three faces of evil sculptures that sat in the Paris and Red Strap markets for more than seven years. Those sculptures were about the evils that we all harbour in small ways. They were "the irrational, the prejudice and the politically correct" and I created them as a warning to us all that when we let them get out of control, we end up stepping on fundamental rights.

It would seem that our mayor didn't notice my art, either.

Joe Renaud, Edmonton

What to do next?

The time has come to put some serious, bold, inspiring, powerful, meaningful and beautiful art in front of the unfortunate, view-blocking, still-abominable, new wall of the Shaw Convention Centre.

Here's my suggestion: a large mural or sculpture of 100 bison, including bulls, cows and calves, running out of the wall towards 97th Street. I would love to see a herd rushing towards me as I walk south on 97th Street.

Let's not forget that Edmonton was a traditional bison crossing area on the North Saskatchewan River. One hundred bison will help commemorate the recent 100th anniversary of our city and province.

The time has come for Alberta's most exuberant piece of public art to take shape; a piece that will show that Edmonton is truly Alberta's capital city. Let us turn this unfortunate and controversial wall into something that everybody will be proud of.

Jacques Sirois, Edmonton

Freedom has its limits

Re: "Indian sculptors among the best," Letters, Sept. 23.

I found the letters regarding the Ganesha statues outside the Shaw Conference Centre intriguing.

Although free speech and art are both valued parts of our society, I think the writers may have had a one-sided perspective on this issue.

Although Ganesha may have no significance to the writers, I think that the 700 people who petitioned to have the sculptures removed are honestly offended by the depictions of their god.

Art is all well and good, but it should not be displayed on the street when it can be deemed religiously or racially intolerant.

Lasith Witharana, Edmonton

Hinduism isn't a 'sect'

Re: "Mandel oversteps bounds," by Bruce Dunbar, Letters, Sept. 23.

I can assure Bruce Dunbar that he can sleep soundly, knowing his rights and freedoms are guaranteed.

Before crying foul over how swiftly Stephen Mandel snuffed an exhibit of artwork that offended a religious group, I recommend Dunbar get his facts straight.

Dunbar relegates the Hindu faith to a mere "sect" when, in fact, it's the third largest religion in the world. Its traditions and beliefs are thousands of years old. Adherents to this religion in our city may have indeed "influenced" the mayor, but they did so in a democratic way with a petition carrying 700 signatures.

The exhibit in question was in a public space. Society may be secular, the state being separate from church, however people with religious and spiritual beliefs pay taxes too. Anyone should have the opportunity to express how money allotted for cultural funding is spent, especially if art funded by the state is offensive to a deity or belief they hold sacred.

Freedom of expression should not be hindered, however those who express themselves -- especially those assisted with funding from the state -- should consider the effects of their expression in our pluralistic society.

If Dunbar is still concerned about the scourge of the city's "officialdom," he can start a petition calling for the return of these sculptures.

Jolanta T. Breen, Edmonton

Why pick on Hindus?

Re: "Indian sculptors among the best," by Ryan McCourt, Letters, Sept. 23.

Please, spare me from the ranting of a privileged, government-grant-supported, self-serving "artiste." I am ashamed before Hindu persons of this non-starving artist.

Ryan McCourt believes that he has the right to offend Hindu people, as he is connected with Hinduism because he was "influenced" by someone who was "influenced" by Hinduism.

What would happen if a Hindu sculptor in Edmonton, on a public commission and in a public site, exhibited several large Christ figures, each one made from scrap and portraying Christ in a very sexual way? How long would that art remain on public display?

I suggest that McCourt's Ganesha sculptures only remained on public display as long as they did because the Hindu population in Edmonton is vulnerable and small and has little power.

McCourt rants like some political prisoner or an artist who has taken on political power like Diego Rivera and the Rockefeller family, or Goya and the fascists. He is not like them.

He is a self-serving, Canadian artist, with all the freedom any artist has ever had and he picks on a small, vulnerable community.

Oh how brave.

Madeline Jones, Edmonton

Sculptures no threat

I am an Indian of Hindu origin living in France. I read the news that sculptor Ryan McCourt was forced to remove his Hindu god Ganesha statues from public display because they offended Canadian Hindus.

I find nothing offensive about this, as I am a student of Indian mythology.

The artists of each generation have the right to reinterpret symbols. Of course, if a lay person desecrates Hindu symbols, the Hindu community's protest is justified. But when a reputed artist does it, it is in the long run a positive sign.

I don't find the sculptures outrageous at all. Look at the traditional tantric representations of Kali, an avatar of Parvati, the mother of Ganesha, if you want to be really shocked.

Ganesha has been depicted in all possible ways. M.F. Hussain, the Indian Picasso, has taken great freedom with Hindu symbols, provoking outrage by fanatics and appreciation by the enlightened.

The Hindu community has nothing to fear from Ryan McCourt's work. He is promoting their god in a modern, post-industrial avatar. The traditional Ganesha can be seen everywhere, even at your neighbourhood Indian store, for the sensitive believer.

I pray to Ganesha to protect the artists from narrow-mindedness.

Krishna Bagdiya,

Aix-en-Provence, France

29 comments:

  1. It seems that Madeline Jones' opinion of herself is exceeded only by her crass ignorance...

    I mean, Jolanta T. Breen doesn't know what she's talking about either, but at least she doesn't go out of her way to sound like a cunt about it...

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  2. ... not that I'm offended by either of their statements, mind you. I do pity them, though, as I'm sure they truly believe what they write.

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  3. Thinking you are finding profundity in your work thru Hindu sculpture on the banks of the No. Sask in 2007 is frankly tedious. Perhaps if someone had held yoga classes, also overrated, outside the Shaw, the Mayor would have dug the show. ha ha.

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  4. It's "frankly tedious"? How so?

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  5. I can't help but wonder how Sandrax would prefer that I "find profundity". I guess yoga's out...

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  6. I'm not sure why Jolanta T. Breen thinks Bruce Dunbar "can sleep soundly, knowing his rights and freedoms are guaranteed"... perhaps she missed the part where my Constitutionally guarenteed freedom of expression was violated by an order from the Mayor. Can't see how she missed that, though, since there have been a few stories in the media about it, lately... Curious.

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  7. Beware of creativity so shallow an ant could ford it.

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  8. Care to express yourself less cryptically, Sandrax? No, I suppose not...

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  9. Oh, wat, now I get it. Sandrax wasn't even trying to say anything substantive. Sandrax is just one of those strange people who leave anonymous insults on people's blogs... weird.

    Hey Sandrax, if you want to comment here, please follow the guidelines: for you, especially: Address the Writing, and Make Sense. Thanks.

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  10. spare me from the ranting of a privileged, government-grant-supported, self-serving "artiste." I am ashamed before Hindu persons of this non-starving artist.

    This absolutely disgusts me to the core. According to this pile of shit's guidelines, no artist should ever have money, be well spoken about their art, and never ever be supported by the government. On bad days, when I get really worried about the world, I think that known-nothing, useless fuckwads like this outnumber the good people. This is a sad reminder that it is probably true. Just let it be known that when some sort of apocolypse happens and all of the socio-economic orders have been swept away, and this bitch is running some sort of creepy new 'sect', I will defend myself and my loved ones with extreme force.

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  11. oh and sandrax, why don't you actually say something, you tedious coward.

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  12. Well put, Tony.

    I wonder if, by calling me "artiste", she means to imply that I'm a fag, or French, or maybe both... I suppose , for some, any and all artists are to be disdained.

    I have earned a few government grants over the years, of course, but the money I earned for my "controversial" sculptures was either a rental fee, or a prize, but it most certainly was not a 'government grant'.

    I suppose Madeline and Jolanta should have talked together before they wrote their contradictory arguments... I mean, did I offend the third largest religion in the world, or a small and powerless group of victimized victims?

    Or, more likely, are both their arguments crazy?...

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  13. Lasith Witharana's letter is pretty funny too...

    I mean, sure, freedom of expression is a constitutionally guarenteed right, enshrined in Canada's highest law...

    But, on the other hand, some people had their feelings hurt, which I obviously have just not realized, or thought about, or not been made aware of, or something.

    Believe me: I know that some people are upset. But feelings are not protected by the Charter... rights are. In the words of another offensive artist, Sir Salman Rushdie, "What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist."

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  14. Please, spare me from the ranting of a privileged, government-grant-supported, self-serving "artiste." I am ashamed before Hindu persons of this non-starving artist.

    Since when is it even remotely acceptable to use the word "artist," French or otherwise, as a pejorative term? Rather than being ashamed before the Hindu community, someone who views a producer of art as some sort of heinous and despicable villain ought to be ashamed rather of their own ignorance. Also, what exactly is the speaker implying by saying "non-starving artist" (ie. why on earth would it be considered even remotely negative to be "non-starving"?!?!?)?

    Art is all well and good, but it should not be displayed on the street when it can be deemed religiously or racially intolerant.

    If public display of art is to be limited by the as-yet-unseen opinions it might inspire in viewers, then no art AT ALL could ever be presented anywhere. Of course art is going to be interpreted in various ways (both negative and positive), and in this way open up discourse among diverse pockets of society. Isn't that the whole point? People have every right to deem a piece of art as controversial, but that doesn't mean they should be able to strong-arm local politicians (who for all intents and purposes should have a bit more backbone) into removing such works. For shame!

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  15. Well Sarah, at least she's aware of her shame... she just doesn't quite understand the reason why she feels it...

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  16. I also wonder, if my artist's statement (which the Journal printed as a letter to the editor) is a "rant", what the hell would you call Madeline Jones' petulant tirade?

    A petulant tirade, I guess...

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  17. Ok, sorry, but what if I am the voice of Ganesh? Maybe the remover of obstacles has freed a new path for you. And the Mayor should take notice because, really, the moral obstacles are in HIS way and I hope he has trouble sleeping after messing with your art. Ganesh won't be helping him out anytime soon. Even if he is the Mayor, we all now know he is a loser as a person.

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  18. MC, don't be so pompous as to think Jolanta Breen was motivated to write her letter strictly because of artistic censorship. She was more concerned that people like Mr. Dunbar make uninformed, one sided and, in your case, miss-spelled arguments. But reading through your comments I can see that no matter how Mr. Dunbar's letter was flawed at least he had the decency and class not insult people like you do.


    I fail to see how Mrs. Breen contradicts herself in her letter. If you would be so kind as to post Mr. Dunbar's letter along with hers you will see she chronologically highlights what she feels are errors in Mr. Dunbar's argument and states her opinion in the second last paragraph.

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  19. "MC, don't be so pompous as to think Jolanta Breen was motivated to write her letter strictly because of artistic censorship"

    Stop being so pompous, and show me where I said that, JB...

    "I fail to see how Mrs. Breen contradicts herself in her letter."

    I never said she contradicted herself. I said she contradicted Madeline Jones' assertions.

    "If you would be so kind as to post Mr. Dunbar's letter along with hers you will see she chronologically highlights what she feels are errors in Mr. Dunbar's argument and states her opinion in the second last paragraph."

    Bruce Dunbar's letter already has been posted here. What she "feels" are errors in his piece, are actually NOT errors, regardless of her "feelings".

    Her first sentence is wrong. Her "assurance" that our rights are guaranteed is a bit silly, in the face of the fact of my own rights to free expression being revoked.

    Her second sentence is wrong. Dunbar already had his facts straight.

    Her next paragraph is silly: Dunbar's use of the word 'sect' in no way denies the size of Hinduism as a whole, as Breen suggests. And sorry, but 700 hindus can't "democratically" decide what artworks I can and cannot show in public, even with the help of the mayor.

    I have no argument with her next paragraph. The show was in public, religious people pay taxes, everyone can express their feelings about anything.... that's all fine.

    And I especially agree with her next paragraph: "Freedom of expression should not be hindered". She also thinks that artists chould consider the effects of their expression on our society... something I've considered quite deeply, for a long time. Deeper, and longer than most, probably. This is my work, my art, my career, after all...

    Breen's last sentence gives the game away: she hasn't even thought hard enough about this to see the irony in her suggestion, that we all just start battling petitions to decide what can and cannot be seen on a city street. Yes, Dunbar should get my sculptures back on display, and the religious right can petition for gay pride day to end, and I can petition for the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to be stricken from the record of Canadian law, since we're not using it, anyway...

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  20. p.s. Hey JB, I think you meant to write "misspelled arguments"... Oops.

    That's ok, though, typos happen...

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  21. "I mean, Jolanta T. Breen doesn't know what she's talking about either, but at least she doesn't go out of her way to sound like a cunt about it..."

    "I wonder if, by calling me "artiste", she means to imply that I'm a fag, or French, or maybe both... I suppose , for some, any and all artists are to be disdained."

    Man oh man. Grow up and figure it all out.

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  22. lol... CBC found offense! CBC wins the prize!

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  23. But seriously, CBC, you know the rules: Address the Writing...

    SO, you disagree with those quoted statments, then, I take it... but, how?

    Do you NOT think Madeline Jones' letter makes her look like a bit of a "see you next tuesday"? Or, do you disagree, and think Jolanta Breen's letter is a bit cunty, too?

    And then there's "artiste"... you seem to think my guess at the possible impled meaning being "faggy frnchman" is way off, so... what do YOU think was meant by "artiste" in the pejorative?

    Surely you have an opinon about THESE ISSUES, rather than just a silly opinion about ME PERSONALLY, (which I, quite obviously, couldn't care less about)...

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  24. I thought you might like to learn more about censorship and freedom of expression in Canada. I thought it might help you form your arguments and you wouldn't have to resort to calling other people's things like "cunty" which frankly is just saddening.

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  25. Thanks or the link, CBC. I'm sorry my rude language has made you sad. We sculptors can be a rough an tumble bunch, even at the distance provided by the internet, I guess. My sense of humour just isn't to your taste.

    But please, don't mistake my intentionally offensive comments for arguments. I'm just being funny. There's not really any argument needed from me, is there? What am I supposed to be arguing against? "Artiste"? Whether "sect" means what the dictionary says it means? What's the argument?

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  26. Yeah cunts aren't sects either!

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  27. ... sects orguns, maybe...

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  28. Here's a link you all might enjoy: "What the F***?", by Harvard professor (and friend of Studiosavant) Steven Pinker.

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  29. I only got half way through, but thought this was a good phrase:

    "reading a word is such an over-learned skill that it has become mandatory"

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